About Degrading the art and all in between

This post is about the continuous project of our rulers aimed at degrading the art in general, which is the subject Miles has written about extensively. More accurately, this post is about the institution sparked into existence by one US Army General and everything that fell out of the closet while surfing the net for answers.

As it turned out later in his career, the same general became the president and general manager of the Times-Mirror Company, publisher of the Los Angeles Times.

Yes, you read that correctly, so let me immediately lead on with Wikipedia:

»On  December 23, 1916, General Harrison Gray Otis[1], donated his spacious Wilshire Boulevard home across the street from MacArthur Park, known as the Bivouac, to Los Angeles County to be used “continuously and perpetually for the Arts and advancement of the Arts.” The Otis Art Institute of the Los Angeles Museum of History, Science, and Art eventually became Otis College of Art and Design

Gen Gray Otis
General Harrison Gray Otis

It came as a small surprise for me, to be honest, but this entry proved to be a real gem.

Who was General Harrison Gray Otis?  

He was one of the many children of Stephen and Sarah Dyer Otis. Mother’s parents are scrubbed at Geni.com, but on his paternal side we can trace Harrison’s grandmother as Mehitable S. Otis, neè Turner. The family tree is full of names such as Abel, Benjamin, Moses, Hannah, Sarah, Samuel, Jacob, which suggests their Jewish origins.

It is also interesting to look at the etimology of word »otis, Otis«. Outis (transliteration of Ancient Greek Οὖτις, in capitals ΟΥΤΙΣ, from οὔτις “nobody” or “no one”)[2] is an often used pseudonym. Wikipedia even admits that artists, writers and others in public life use this pseudonym in order to hide their identity.

Even Teddy Roosevelt, about whom Josh extensively wrote in his disclosure of Smedley Butler and his stooges, once said about Otis that:

»the attitude of General Otis in his paper affords a curious instance of the anarchy of soul which comes to a man who, in conscienceless fashion, deifies property at the expense of human rights.

Returning to my statement from the beginning of this post, you may be wondering how do I know Otis (No name) College of Art and Design promoted bad art? The answer is quite simple, let’s look at some of most distinguished alumni and their promoted work:

Ralston Crawford (1906–1978)

Ralston Crawford - Lights_in_an_Aircraft_Plant,_1945
Lights in an Aircraft Plant, 1945


Edith Head (1897 – 1981), born Edith Claire Posener

Victor_Mature - Hedy_Lamarr as Samson_and_Delilah
Edith Head’s costume designs for Victor Mature and Hedy Lamarr in Samson and Delilah (1949), for which she won an Oscar.

Artur Gill Gilbert (1893-1970)

Artur Gilbert - Mt. Doud, Big Sur, oil on canvas
Mt. Doud, Big Sur, oil on canvas. The buyer, Trotter Galleries of Carmel, paid a record USD 97,975 .

Philip Guston (1913 – 1980), born Phillip Goldstein . He was a painter and printmaker in the New York School, an art movement that included many abstract expressionists like Jackson Pollock and Willem de Kooning.

Zone, 1953-1954, oil on canvas. A zone of…. annoyance, purhaps?

John Altoon (1925 – 1969)

John Altoon. Oil on canvas, 1962
Ocean Park Series, 1962. Altoon was diagnozed schyzophrenic in his late 30’s


George Chann (1913 – 1995)

Chann with one of his untitled paintings


Robert Irwin (1928) is an American installation artist.

Robert Irwin - Light and Space
Light and Space, installation…. of what exactly? In 1977, Robert Irwin wrote the following about himself: »I began as a painter in the middle of nowhere with few questions… My first real question concerned the arbitrariness of my paintings…«.

True, they are based on a personal whim, rather than any reason – the very definition of this above art thing.

John Mason (1927) is »recognized for his focus and steady investigation of mathematical concepts relating to rotation, symmetry, and modules as well as his formal innovation with the ceramic medium«. Let’s see….

John Mason - untitled vertical structure
Untitled Vertical Structure, 1960. Yep, that would be…uhm…rotating asymmetrical module, like…uhm…lunar module? But maybe it is just…uhm… modulated symmetry rotation?

 Tom Van Sant (1931)

Tom van Sant
Backyard Pets at Play


Lawrence Gipe (1961)

gipe_lawrence_hamburg_1941, 2016
Hamburg 1941 (Lethe), 2016

Alison Saar (1956)

Alison Saar’s sculpture ‘Compton Nocturne’ is made from wood, tin, bottles, paint and tar. It represents…uhm…well, a strange kind of woman? Like in that Deep Purple’s song with the same title?


I think you get the point about No Name Otis College of Art and Design, their alumni or the quality standard of art promoted. Oh, the Economist ranked them as 6th (my emphasis):

»among national universities in its 2015 ranking of the U.S. best colleges for ‘Value of Education’[5] based on sophisticated evaluation method and by alumni earnings above expectation.[6] Money Magazine ranked Otis fourth for “Best Value Added College.”[7]

You got to laugh, really.


Another interesting group of artists formed at Otis College comes with a brand name »Los Four«. »They were instrumental in bringing Chicano Art to the attention of the mainstream art world«, says Wikipedia about them (note the word instrumental).

The Chicano artist collective Los Four originally consisted of Frank Romero (b. 1940), Carlos Almaraz (1941–1989), Robert de la Rocha (b. 1937) and founder Gilbert Luján (1940–2011). They were later joined by Judithe Hernandez, who was introduced to them by Luján.

So what about their art?

Los Four
Opening of “Los Four en Longo” exhibition, Long Beach Museum of Art, 1974, CEMA Collection, University of California Santa Barbara

It is said that they made history in 1974 when they were invited by the Los Angeles County Museum of Art (LACMA) to showcase their art in their own exhibit. The exhibit titled Los Four: Almaraz, de la Rocha, Lujan, Romero was the first Chicano exhibit to be featured in a mainstream museum.

But what about their art?


This above picture is the best I could find, next to the following in black & white, where Los Four are standing in front of their artwork:

Los Four 1

The picture itself is awful in quality, but so is the mural behind them.

Robert (Beto) Isaac de la Rocha is a descendant of Hassidic Jews coming from Spain[3], although Wikipedia claims he was a Sephardic Jew[4]. In any case it is a story going back to 15th century Spain and Jews’ expulsion from there, which is another issue well worth researching. But I will leave it for another post. Anyway, I failed in finding any of Beto’s artwork on the net. What I could find though is Beto’s patrilineal ancestry traced back to his fifth great-grandfather, Juan Ignacio de la Rocha.

The most interesting finding is coming from Beto’s son, Zack de la Rocha , with full name Zacharias Manuel de la Rocha. He was the frontman of a former band called Rage Against The Machine (RATM). In one short speech found on Youtube, Zack explained as if his grandfather (not clear which one) was a victim of Mexican revolution. It is not clear to which extent was his grandfather involved in it, although Wikipedia suggests that he was indeed a revolutionary. In any case, it wasn’t his grandfather, who was still a child from 1910 – 20 while the revolution lasted. In addition to what I found on Geni, he has no grandfather born in the place which was mentioned in the speech, which implies two things: either he’s not telling the truth or Geni has got it all wrong. If you take a look at the video of his speech, he touched his nose twice and grabbed his left ear within 15-second timeframe, all while explaining it. You can judge for yourself about his honesty here (starts at mark 1m:32s; funny, that summed together (1+32) equals masonic number 33).

Anyway, RATM lyrics are mostly about the revolutionary view, and the band (RATM) are vocal supporters of the Zapatista Army of National Liberation (EZLN), especially Zacharias De la Rocha, who has taken several trips to the Mexican state of Chiapas to aid their efforts. The flag of the EZLN serves as the primary recurring theme in the band’s visual art.


Many things can be said about band’s logo and symbolism


With the story of EZLN which reads like a classic Intelligence covert operation – foment a dissent among the people, then give them hope to successfully resolve their issue with the help of revolutionary spirit, which is of course – controlled.

We can learn at Wikipedia EZLN entry, that the organization was led by one guy:

»Subcomandante Marcos was the nom de guerre used by Rafael Sebastián Guillén Vicente (born 19 June 1957), Mexican insurgent and former leader and spokesman of the Zapatista Army of National Liberation (EZLN) during the Chiapas conflict. Although allegedly from a middle-class family, he went to Jesuit school, later majoring in philosophy. If you are wondering about his political character – he was a Marxist. For in-field practice he went to become a »militant in the Maoist National Liberation Forces«.

Subcomandante Marcos, known for his trademark ski mask and a pipe, while atop a horse in Chiapas, Mexico in 1996.


With the style of a classic revolutionist, »he went to the mountains of Chiapas to convince the poor, indigenous Mayan population to organize and launch a proletarian revolution against the Mexican bourgeoisie and the federal government«.

This is laughable, but what we can read next is really amusing:

»After hearing his proposition, the Chiapanecs “just stared at him,” and replied that they were not urban workers, and that from their perspective the land was not property, but the heart of the community«.

Nevertheless, his ideology prevailed and although an outcast, he was able to publish his writings (with support from the U.S. National Endowment for the Arts, for instance) and get publicly recognized.

Marcos was naturally convicted as an enemy of the state, but was never caught or imprisoned. Wikipedia explains how it was done:

»It is known that the real founders of the EZLN foco were the brothers Fernando (a.k.a. German) and Cesar (a.k.a. Pedro) Yañez-Muñoz, who were previously part of the FLN guerrillas. Marcos took over the remnants of the FLN after Pedro was killed and German captured«.

There are several rumors that Marcos left Mexico in the mid 1980’s to go to Nicaragua to serve with the Sandinistas under the nom de guerre El Mejicano. After leaving Nicaragua in the late 1980’s, he returned to Mexico and helped form the EZLN with support from the Sandinistas and the Salvadoran leftist guerrilla group FMLN. Since Subcomandante took over, the »fighters« were mostly engaged in diplomatic talks with the Mexican government. During the whole time of EZLN »their activities were reported years before the uprising in what is considered one of Mexico’s most important magazines, Proceso, which the Mexican Government had tried to cover it up«.

Marcos has used several other pseudonyms; he referred to himself as Delegate Zero during the 2006 Mexican Presidential Campaign, and in May 2014 announced that Subcommandante Marcos “no longer exists,” adopting the name Subcomandante Galeano instead.



[1] I found another Harrison Gray Otis while searching for the General Otis. The other Gray Otis’ biography reads as much spooky, you can read about him here http://bioguide.congress.gov/scripts/biodisplay.pl?index=O000127. He is as well listed among the Boston Brahmin families here

[2] From Greek-English Lexicon

[3] https://www.aaa.si.edu/collections/interviews/oral-history-interview-carlos-almaraz-5409#transcript

A transcript interview with Carlos Almaraz (, where he says:” He claimed to be a Hassidic Jew from Spain. He said his family was originally from Spain. And you kind of believed it, that he was a very unusual kind of person, very delicate and very bright, very sensitive, and a wonderful artist. He originally worked for Gemini and pulled some of the prints for Rauschenberg, Stella, and some of the big major-league people, and had that kind of reputation, was much respected.”

[4] Found here, under “Early Life” link


19 thoughts on “About Degrading the art and all in between

  1. Interesting info about Zack and Rage Against the Machine. I grew up on their music, and found it inspiring to say the least, although musically nothing too interesting. But then they just fell off the map. No revolution. Just inciting one, and very strongly too. A great many people believed in them and their message.

    It appears now it was a project to gauge the measure between rap and metal music, and the Powers That Be decided that rap had more effect on the people so they put their money more into rap. Not that Rage was really “Metal” at all, but they were closer than any other rap group got to the genre. Their guitarist is a total asshole, on a personal level. My best friend is the bouncer at Seattle’s biggest dive bar, the Five Point Cafe, and he had to kick Tom Morello (Rage’s guitarist) out several times now, including a sizable public fiasco and backlash against the city and the Cafe. This guitarist is decent but compared to most Metal musicians, an abject amateur at best.

    So it seems to me that as an “art” form, TPTB decided to further pervert music by pushing even more garbage rap upon the populace. That said, Zack was a decent rapper in many songs, if you’re into that stuff. I am not, but among rappers only Immortal Technique is better at “kickin’ knowledge”. But also another spook, it seems like. Much like Rage, Immortal goes very far into the truth but then dodges off, never connecting the dots to the actual Powers That Be, even though he names many of them in his song, “Rich Man’s World.” But he calls them out as banksters only, not inherited-wealth peerage folks. So again, the connection is snubbed.

    Limited Hangout stuff.


    1. That’s an interesting insight, thanks. It’s a pattern among the celebrities – never talk about the real boss.

      I can’t say anything about rap or style / techniques involved because I never listened to it. For me there’s no value in all that text, music should always be a pleasant mix of both rhythm and melody. Rap failed on both levels in my opinion, but has conquered the fan base around the world anyway. The power of media, suggestions and trend setting, apparently, with usual suspects working behind the scenes.

      RATM had that raw power in their instrumental sound, something that has always attracted me. Being a classical rock music fan and a guitar player, I can still remember how disappointing it was when Zack vocal entered any song. All those good riffs and power should’ve been topped with Gillan’s or Plant’s singing style. So I never really cared about RATM’s success. Anyway, I just don’t have much respect for all those front-men who refuse to sing. Not my cup of tea.


    1. Yes, the burning monk case is certainly suspicious. I really doubt that anybody could control that much pain, and would remain motionless as he or she is burnt alive. To experience burning, just touch the steel kettle with boiling water or if you are still adventurous, put your hand inside the boiling water. There are other easier options to experience this, like placing your palm on top of the flame of a cigarette lighter or a candle.

      Thinking about it, we are made out of approx. 70% water. All this water inside our body would tend to boil off if we were exposed to excess heat. Then there is lack of oxygen around the fire itself, which would probably mean suffocation as well. On top of it, hot air would damage the lungs and disable its basic function. All that said, I don’t think anybody could sit still while burnt alive. I think that death by being burnt alive is one of the most painful ways to die. I could be wrong though.


  2. One thing that makes it look like it would be a fake body , is the police pushing back the crowd instead of putting a stop to the suicide . The cops are in on the charade .


  3. pause at 1:33 read what it says about his body .

    pause at 1:48 we see his body after the fire , we see short cropped hair still on his head ?


    1. At 2:36 we have an interesting “fact”:

      “Quang Duc’s body was re-cremated curing the funeral, but Duc heart remained intact and did not burn.”

      Yeah, right.

      And I agree, the body shown at 1:48 does not look like an immolated human. It barely looks like a burnt mannequin.


  4. I don’t like to be saying these things , Vexman , if the man actually gave his life to protest war .
    I’m also pretty sure The Buddha Siddhartha would not be pleased with what he did as well as the Monks who helped him .
    The part that irks me is the secretly wealthy rock band using this imagery to sell their fake protest .


    1. I completely understand you, DF. However, that particular monk did not give his life in protest to anything. At least not according to the analyzed pictures 🙂 so no need to let your morality overwhelm your reason.


  5. Vexman, I wanted to share our thoughts we posted over at Cutting Through the Fog here because I think they belonged here, rather. So, this is a repost of my post over there:

    {Your phrase there, “Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.” reminded me of some of Rage Against the Machine’s lyrics in one of their best songs, “Ashes in the Fall”.}
    Zack says,

    ♫This is the new sound, just like the old sound,
    just like the noose wound, over the burning ground♪

    And I never really made much sense of it. The song is actually really good from a revolutionary perspective – which is why it’s tragic that they’re just MORE SPOOPERY. More of the same. Just like the old sound, of all calls to revolt in the mainstream.

    The song also says some further interesting stuff, perhaps more spook markers?

    A mass of tears have
    Transformed to stones now
    Sharpened on suffering and woven into slings…
    Hope lies in the rubble
    Of this rich fortress
    Taking today what tomorrow never brings

    I mean poets won’t like it obviously, but from a “rap” standpoint it’s among their best stanzas ever written. You don’t hear that kind of stuff anywhere else in “rap”, though I’m also not a fan and don’t listen to a lot of it.

    I am NOT promoting Rage here, just examining them as yet another fallen hero. I’m seeing markers in almost all of their good songs. The old, bad songs not so much but those are mostly just curse words.

    A mass of promises
    Begin to rupture
    Like the pockets of the New-World Kings…
    Like swollen stomachs in Apalachia
    Like the priest that fucked you as he whispered holy things

    Two more markers there. “New-World Kings” should be obvious. The priest reference is further promotion of that project, the Catholic rape fearism. So while I said this is one of their best songs and still think so, it’s also chock-full of spook markers and has banished any doubts I had that Vex and the others might be wrong. Definitely another Limited Hangout. And since they’re pretty much the best that any rap/rock crossover ever did, we know that genre was controlled by the top down as well.

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    1. And my response to your response, which of course you can post yourself here if you think it’s helpful:

      “It’s fine, Vex. I don’t mind knowing that these guys are spooky – it had always seemed odd to me that their “movement” fell apart way too rapidly after their third album. They weren’t so much a favorite as a staple of the music in the 1990s. Musically, they’re nothing special at all, only marginally better than most pop because they use and play real instruments. Their guitarist is okay but nothing phenomenal. All the phenomenal guitarists left are either in deep jazz or Metal, these days, and nobody in pop music is really any good.

      What I can keep without blinking is the emotions and memories from the music. That feeling of revolutionary fire that songs like Ashes in the Fall and Maria fostered in me, especially around 2000 or so when I personally needed that fire to battle on. I feel the same about other bands we’ve outed, such as Slayer (their best album, “God Hates Us All”, was released on 9/11/2001 and features sound clips from hijacked aircraft), who were again never musically beautiful, although very talented. But the anti-religious messages are pretty spooky to me now. They give you JUST enough truth, about society and revolution, to spark you up. To keep you interested. “Circle of Beliefs” is still an amazing song, so as usual we take the good and jettison the bad.

      I never turned to musicians for morality anyway. That’s not what music is about, to me. It’s about feeling love, grief, hate, joy, or any other relevant emotion and the memories tied to the music.”


      1. Ok then, I feel a bit relieved. And I agree with your assessment of their musical talent, they showed it a lot in comparison to the modern crap or pop.

        Same as with G’n’r, for instance. I haven’t done them yet, since they’re part of my growing up…but I know what I’ll discover. It can’t be a much different story after all we’ve learned, right? Did they use aliases, like many of them? Sure they did. Their parents connected to the military or Intelligence circles? Yep, true. Nonetheless, some of them were/are really musically talented guys.


    2. Yes, a good idea.

      So sorry for taking away one of your favorite bands, Jared. I too have seen many of my own favorites fall.

      For instance, can you remember Miles’ recent paper “Bits and Bobs”? He took apart Sting alias Gordon Sumner. I really liked Police’s music once upon a time, but I just couldn’t have let them go. Yet additional research on Police showed even spookier markers around them I could ever imagine.
      For instance, Police’s drummer was Stewart Armstrong Copeland, one of four children born to CIA agent Miles Axe Copeland Jr., best known for his close personal relationship with Egyptian leader Gamal Abdel Nasser and his “controversial books on intelligence”. In his memoirs, Copeland Jr. recounted his involvement in numerous covert operations, including the March 1949 Syrian coup d’état and the 1953 Iranian coup d’état. In a 1986 Rolling Stone interview, he stated: “Unlike The New York Times, Victor Marchetti and Philip Agee, my complaint has been that the CIA isn’t overthrowing enough anti-American governments or assassinating enough anti-American leaders, but I guess I’m getting old.”

      Copeland Jr. had 4 children with Elizabeth Lorraine Adie, a secret agent with the Special Operations Executive during World War II. The family lived throughout the Middle East, in particular Syria, Egypt, and Lebanon. All of their children made surprisingly (?) great careers in spook terms.

      Like Miles Axe Copeland III, where : “the success of The Police and the novel methods used to popularize them enabled Copeland to found I.R.S. Records”. The bands he worked with via IRS or his former record label BTM : Soft Machine, the Mahavishnu Orchestra, Lou Reed, the Buzzcocks, R.E.M., The Cramps, Fine Young Cannibals, The Bangles, and many others, including a number one album with the label’s group The Go-Go’s. He also “owns and operates CIA”, which stands for Copeland International Arts. 🙂 No pun intended…

      Ian Adie Copeland was another brother from the same mother, a booking agent involved as well in the new wave movement in the United States. In 1979, Copeland founded Frontier Booking International (FBI) in New York, a talent agency that represented many of the premier new wave acts of the 1980s, including the B-52’s, The Cure, The Police, Simple Minds, The English Beat, and The Go-Go’s. “The agency grew to include hundreds of diverse musical performers on its roster (the Buzzcocks, Nine Inch Nails, Concrete Blonde, Iggy Pop, General Public, Charlie Peacock, Let’s Active, R.E.M., Sting, Morrissey), as well as representing actors.”

      Courtney Cox is also related to the same family, but I’ll digress here, can’t stomach them, actors.

      I suggest that all of them would join the list of fallen heroes and I hope it makes it easier for you to let RATM go.


  6. Hi Vexman, sorry I’m posting this here, but the system wouldn’t let me post of the correct article on Cradle of Civilisation’.

    Thank you very much for your excellent and informative post. For many years I have mistrusted the history we have been taught along with all the forged documents and artefacts used to support it. The only things I trust are ancient large stone buildings / mines / harbours etc, which are difficult to fake and which can give us some insight into the capabilities of the people who built them.

    The Vinca people left tangible remains in the form of their settlements and I’m glad they found no evidence of defensive structures, as I’ve long believed that all the ‘historic wars’ were bogus and that mankind would never have prospered and without the innate ability to work cooperatively in conflict free social groups. More confirmation of this point is always good to have. Also glad you mentioned Gobekli Tepe, which the mainstream labels as a religious building. My own view is that this was not its primary purpose and I strongly suspect that the first phases of this structure are far far older than our agenda driven historians would care to admit. Please keep up the good work of shining the light of scepticism on mainstream paradigms.

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    1. Hi Boris, thanks for your kind words.

      No need to be sorry for posting it here, I’m glad you managed to do it anyway. If anybody, I’m fully aware of WordPress (WP) unreliable system’s behavior. You may want to try switching to Epic browser, in my experience it gives me significantly less trouble with accessing many sites, WP included.


  7. Not heard of Epic, but switched away from Firefox and Google Search over a year ago. Now using Pale Moon browser and Startpage. Took a while to get use to the changes, but I’m happy now and not tempted to go back to the spooky mainstream alternatives. Also moved my main eMail account to ProtonMail for improved security and to avoid intrusive Gmail snooping. Final step will be to ditch Microsoft and move to Zorin OS. This is a Linux version which has the look/feel of Win10 and which I’m trying on an old laptop before taking the plunge and installing on my main PC. I’ll let you know if it’s any good.

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  8. On the East Coast Art Scene back then …

    Miles mentioned the following Agent John Quinn. It would be interesting if there was any relationship to General Otis and 20th century “Art”. He was influential in bringing 20th century European “Art” to America, sort of a “Beatles Invasion” of the time.

    From Wikipedia,
    John Quinn
    “He fought key legal battles that opened American culture to 20th century art movements, including his Congressional appeals to overturn the Payne–Aldrich Tariff Act. He staged the first great exhibit of European modern art in America at the 69th Regiment (Fightin’ Irish) Armory, New York, in 1913 … or the 1913 Armory Show (officially The International Exhibition of Modern Art) in New York City.”

    “According to author Richard Spence, Quinn was a supporter of the Irish nationalist cause and associated with figures such as John Devoy and Roger Casement, although he had reportedly worked for British Intelligence services before, during, and after World War I. In this role he acted as case officer for, among others, Aleister Crowley, who was an agent provocateur posing as an Irish nationalist in order to infiltrate anti-British groups of Irish and Germans in the United States.[3]”

    Also on a lesser scale:
    Arthur Bowen Davies
    “Davies also served as an advisor to many wealthy New Yorkers who wanted guidance about making purchases for their art collections. Two of those collectors were Lizzie P. Bliss and Abby Aldrich Rockefeller,…”
    William James Glackens
    “He is also known for his work in helping Albert C. Barnes to acquire the European paintings that form the nucleus of the famed Barnes Foundation in Philadelphia.”

    On a miscellaneous note, granted I’m behind the curve but I just ran across a video on Neri Oxman or as mentioned somewhere ‘Black Castigated Man’. As far as ‘Art’ and Transhumanism goes this is a signal of something very strange, E-coli meets “The Invasion of the Body Snatchers”.
    Oxman’s organic forms bypass the boring two-dimensional ‘art’ for the past century.
    Brad Pitt has gone beyond Frank Gehry.


    1. oops, sorry, “Castrated Man” not “Castigated” as in Male to Female as opposed to Brad Pitt Female to Male. When Neri Oxman talks about cutting genetic material we may be pass that or we’ll not in Kanas anymore.
      “Strange days indeed — most peculiar, mama …”.


  9. It’s nearly impossible to find educated people for this topic, however, you sound like you know what you’re talking about! Thanks|


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