The Lockerbie Incident – Pan Am flight 103, Part V + Addendum

Part V – The Victims


»A huge piece of rubbish just fell on my front drive. Take your picture quickly and let me sweep this off«, said the Broom warrior. 😉

 〈Addendum 16.1.2017 – scroll down〉

The task left to do required some special skills of investigation from me, something I’ve never done before. I had absolutely no experience in this regard, just where do I start with it? By reading The Search for Missing Person for Dummies? What are my sources if I want to make an inquiry about any dead person in this world? How exactly do I look into an individual’s life with certainty about anything I find on the web? Is a tombstone a proof of death? With my ancestors most certainly is and I know it since I witnessed all of it, but that is useless comparison, just how can I trust any picture of a tombstone with a name on it allegedly representing the proof of burial as is the case with my family’s ancestors? As most things that can be found about these victims of Pan Am 103 flight might have been planted there, with the purpose to divert or misdirect anyone looking at them, I find it very hard to accept them as credible.

Such notion is yet another important subject to be extremely carefull about in regards to conclusions that are drawn from such research. So as much as it is irrational to use Wickedpedia as a source for any serious work on any subject at all, it is still regarded as an authority when it comes to an average internet user coming to Google-search some »facts and truth« on any particular subject. Those would be the users of such repository of twisted and MSM pushed truth, people who are commonly manipulable and trustful about sources such as TV, newspapers and silently confirm such abstract authorities within the realm of digital media as, in example, Wickedpedia was pushed to become. Thinking about all this, I can make an assumption about the Wickedpedia that although it’s mostly faux play content there, it does reveal hints and (sometimes even verifiable) controversial content that can be understood as complete opposite to the »truth« being pushed on the page of such Wickedpedia entrance. The former is meant to re-confirm MSM sources that brought majority of manipulable readers there, the latter is meant to confuse and inhibit doubt in all of us, who are coming there for clues and de-spin purposes. How fine is this threshold, just amazing, it actually always amazes me how clever TPTB turn to be. Almost every single time I discover or comprehend their moves played, it turns out that their moves played bear so many parallel purposes that it is really hard to see them all at once. Which then confirms the fact that any hoaxed event is always well thought of and planned in advance. So, just how does one back-engineer or deconstruct any event or personality knowing all that?

In Lockerbie incident’s case I began with a list, taking it from here. As there are mostly US citizens as alleged victims on it, those seemed most reasonable to begin with since Lockerbie meant continuation of war efforts against Libya, they were needed as a sacrifice for such cause. That was the best call, anyway, following was to check Social Security Death Index (SSDI) Death Record, which is available online on several sources, and it turned quite easy once I got used to it. What it showed is that there are no death records / obituaries to be found for these alleged US citizens:

  1. Avritt, Jerry Don, flight engineer
  2. Franklin, Stacie Denise, flight attendant
  3. Garrett, Paul Isaac, flight attendant
  4. Ahern, John Michael Gerard
  5. Akerstrom, John David
  6. Apfelbaum, Martin Lewis
  7. Asrelsky, Rachel Marie
  8. Bainbridge, Harry Michael
  9. Benello, Julian MacBain

I have checked many other US citizens as well but not all of them on this list, as I arrived to number 40 (or so) and found no death certificates / obituaries at all for any of them, the pattern was already showing. Am I searching for some ghost people? How is it possible, that many of these victims exist nowhere else but on their tombstone engravings? For those obituaries and death certificates that I was able to found after all showed that there exist several different obituaries for many of listed victims . Additionally, many of those obituaries drew data from source which, if you look at it, has many entrances made some 15 or 20 years after the Lockerbie event with all such entrances made post year 2001 – as if the perpetrators learned some lessons from 9/11 about how to better simulate victims as real people. Possible? Sure, and very probable at the same time.

As an example I can show that may be the case for twins, namely Eric and Jason Coker, that allegedly died in Lockerbie incident :


Note: As we can learn from Miles Mathis, Intelligence agencies just love twins as they find them very useful in their various psyop programs (like i.e. Elvis or Paul McCartney). Very interesting angle about how the twins are deployed into fakery can be found at Mark Tokarski’s blog as well. 〉

Here is the screenshot of what can be found at for Eric Coker:


Note that it takes as the source, record ID 17056529, where we can find this:


I marked the date of added record for Eric Coker, as you can notice it was added in 2006 and is the solely source of’s (or any other similar web service) input for generating an entry as his obituary. Note that he is allegedly buried at Oakwood Cemetery in NY. And just look at those two Eric’s pictures published there, is this a joke? A bad handmade sketch of his face and a cropped, bad quality picture in which he is almost unrecognizable? As we will see with some other victims, Eric has several entrances on or at :


This time he is buried in Arlington National Cemetery, his record added as presented in 2016. I wonder for which purpose exactly, even without his pictures added to such entry. Additionally, what can be found at Pan Am 103 memorial web page of Syracuse University[i] about Eric and Jason, is organised in a very strange way and not available to access without an approval of Syracuse staff. Actually, this is the response when you click on any of the links there, what may change is the name of the collection you may try to access:

Collections and Personal Papers

Lockerbie Collection: Donald T. Bogie Papers

Donald T. Bogie was instrumental in the early phases of design for the Arlington Memorial Cairn, which was given by the people of Lockerbie to the U.S. families.

This collection is being processed. If you would like a copy of the current collection index please email the Archivist at

With what reason should anybody limit access to memorabilia of their loved ones?

Another victim by the name of Diane Marie Maslowski turned out to have 4 different obituaries and many mothers and fathers with date of her death incorrectly recorded in 3 out of 4 attempts:

And finally, what seems as the correct one in regards to the well-known date of Pan Am 103 incident, a version with her date of death is correctly added as 21. Dec 1988. But then I wonder why her parents & relatives are suddenly not listed in that particular obituary record. Here is the screenshot of what is found at the source:


If she was parents’ real child, wouldn’they like to have such data correctly sorted out? Isn’t a single obituary with correct information, published in a local newspaper what any normal parent would do? Or would you publish 4 obituaries for her, all with different sets of data? What is then engraved in the tombstone for her date of death : between 21st and 24th Dec? It’s just nonsense, this one again looks fabricated to fit the narrative of the official story.

Another victim by the name Lynne Hartunian has as well an obituary with a wrong date and place of death somewhere in Scotland:


At least she is lucky to have one father and another parent of unknown sex.

The number of crying “family members” or tombstone pictures or whatever else that was presented as evidence of deaths did nothing to turn me or people alike from arguing with facts – there simply is no compelling evidence of an airplane crash in Lockerbie case – so who were these “family members” and “friends” mourning? The possibility that these pictures were fake was left hanging in the air like an invisible monolith – and had to be squashed by the government to prevent their entire story from breaking down.

As I was debating in the comment section of Part IV other day, if you look at this YT video about Lockerbie (made of official TV news flash), there is plenty of weird things to notice. In example, at mark 1:10 there is a witness apparently talking but his voice is overdubbed for some reason. I believe it was aired as such in prime time on TV, which is a huge red flag in my opinion. Then a bit later in the video, at mark 6:23, the same witness talks about the scenario of that night, I really wonder who gave him such role as he is totally unconvincing. The next witness at 7:02 has some super X-ray set of eyes, as he was allegedly with his son, hiding under a roof, yet he was able to see “sky lit up” and connecting it to an airplane immediately. He confirms everybody being evacuated immediately after the alleged explosion, though. Then at mark 8:59 there is a local hospital’s chief surgeon, with some kind of reverse masonic sign, as he appears on the TV with his left hand held in his suit, like a Napoleon, just with the opposite hand. Well, I’ve never seen anybody appearing on TV with such a strange suggestive gesture, I just don’t know what to think of it. Anyway, I want to suggest that fabricating the setup was most probably something completely else then we were allowed to see on the pictures and video content. By the way, in case you don’t feel like watching that video, they chose a set of awful actors, like some naturalized local PR representatives, completely untouched by the event. On top, as Mark Tokarski spotted, in the same video there are “stoic Brits who never share a tear for their countrymen and further that  there is the very convenient witness at mark 18:00 who saw an Arab acting nervous on the German end, but was seemingly non-flustered by having gotten off a plane where everyone who stayed on was murdered. I don’t think these people are credible.” Another thing that I somehow overlooked, as Mark correctly pointed out, was the phone number for people to call: 01-897-6333, where we have numerology-in your-face quintuplets of 3’s, 6333, which can be written as 2*3 333 = 3 3 333. Coincidence? Just easier to remember? Yeah, sure. Here are two more video link to YT where you can find some more programming content, stoic moaners of deceased family members and pushing of fabricated empathy: here and here .

Diving into each individual victim would be a very time-consuming task, for which I do not have enough patience as I learned enough in Parts I-IV of this essay to call this entire event a FABRICATED HOAX, where as my intention was/is aimed more to show how easily we can be tricked into believing all victims/deaths are real. To further show how ridiculous and transparent is programming about whole Lockerbie incident, let me just borrow few excerpts from news articles, as i.e. The Guardian reported on Lockerbie bombing incident:

10 years after the catastrophe, the chief pathologist reported that two of the passengers had suffered serious but not fatal wounds. Possibly they froze to death on the ground before the search teams found them in a forest four days later.”

Yeah, right. Or this, same article when talking about Sherwood ground victims:

“Eleven people were decimated; nothing remained later to identify them aside from the artificial knee of 81-year-old Mary Lancaster, the oldest of the victims.”.

You just have to laugh at it, but if you somehow managed to stoically withhold laughter, here is some more tickle :

Retired inspector George Stobbs, who at the time was running the smallest police force in Britain, said: “It was like being in a film scene, like those 3-D images coming towards you.”.

Is that right, inspector Stobbs? Just what would those 3-D images be in fact? Where did you see such 3-D images coming towards you, on your 1988 telly? That piece of technology has seen its resurgence into the mainstream only after 2003, some could argue that it was decently developed as early as in the beginning of 1990’s, but I would say 3-D theaters were still in its infancy in 1980’s. But Stobbs doesn’t finish there:  

Stobbs, sipping tea in his farmhouse outside Lockerbie, said he would never forget the sight of a wrought-iron gate melting in the heat from the giant fireball created by the fuselage and wings crashing onto Lockerbie. The heat was so intense, it was actually melting,” he said. To some, the giant fireball into the sky looked like the mushroom cloud of a nuclear bomb. The impact was so great it registered 1.6 on the Richter scale.

Hm, now pulling into the story such extreme heat capable of melting iron gate but not charring the earth while burning (as we can notice in Sherwood Crescent imagery), attaching to it even nuclear bomb propaganda. I would encourage you to read few of those articles on your own as copy-pasting all bollocks from MSM newspapers into this essay would be of no additional weight to the point made, you can find links below the essay.

Before I conclude this Part V, let me introduce another thrilling story about one of the victims’ parents. One of those who reportedly lost a beloved daughter* in Pan Am 103 was dr. Herbert (Jim) Swire, an educated man from Eton and Cambridge colleges. As I noticed a short comment of Swire persona[ii], it got me curious enough to learn more about this gentleman. Wickedpedia has no early life entrance on his page, so I searched the web to find some very interesting content:

»Jim Swire was born in Windsor, Berkshire, and educated at Eton College and the University of Cambridge. From Cambridge he was commissioned into the Royal Engineers, specialising in munitions and explosives. Having completed his short-service commission, he then decided to change direction and returned to university, this time to Birmingham University, to study medicine.

He became a family doctor and moved to Blackwell, a village in the district of Bromsgrove in Worcestershire, where he practised medicine as a GP. He married his Cambridge sweet-heart, Jane, in 1961. They had two daughters, Flora and Cathy, and a son, William«.

As it is known, there is an army campus nearby Blackwell, so-called University Officer Training Corps Birmingham (UOTC Birmingham), which would be appropriate workplace for an army MD employee of his rank.

In the Lockerbie event and aftermath, Swire has played a leading faux-leftist role, generating rabbit trails of his own, pleading for compassion toward Libya and convicted Abdel Baset al-Megrahi while underpinning the official »a bomb did it« narrative. Quite possibly descending from the British operation of John Swire & Sons, the notorious family owned business of opium smugglers originating in 19th century. What is very likely, it is an intelligence-linked firm reputedly still in the business today, you can read about that subject here Jim Marrs – Rule by secrecy and here Dope, Inc. – Britain Opium War Against the U.S.




Guardian article

Frontline Scotland

BBC article #1

BBC article #2

Plane truth article

〈Addendum 16/1/2017〉

I would like to add substantial amount of gathered information and clues, that is available in original at, with insight into mostly British victims of Pan Am 103 flight and additional information on witnesses and victims’ relatives. Some links may not be working anymore as this research was done few years ago, but luckily the author quoted much of articles’ text into the thread thus saving the content. With my gratitude for all invested work to an eager researcher out there.

There’s a recent back-up story to Pan Am Flight 103 from the Syracuse University angle. The story is from Elizabeth St. Hilaire, who in 1988 shared a small flat in London with Sandy Phillips, Shannon Davis and Suzanne Miazga, all victims of the Lockerbie incident.

I’ll reproduce it as a starter for more detailed work:

»I shared a small flat in London with Sandy Phillips, Shannon Davis and Suzanne Miazga. That year I traveled to Germany for Christmas and my fourth flat mate, Stuart Pochinski, traveled to Italy.

L to R: Sandy Phillips, Beth St. Hilaire, Suzanne Miazga, Shannon Davis

I had the pleasure of meeting Gary Colasanti the first week of my freshman year, he lived in my dorm. Gary was from Boston and I’d recognize that accent anywhere! I too am from the great state of Massachusetts.

In London, I attended studio art classes with Gretchen Dater and Luanne Rogers – Wendy Lincoln lived around the corner and attended British advertising classes with me.

On the flight over to London from JFK, I sat next to Steve Bolland, turns out he went to high school in New Hampshire with one of my childhood friends.

Suzanne and I went to “Per Diem” parties every month and listened to music by The Cure at the flat of Chris Jones, or “Shrub” as his friends called him. And, in the interest of a good time, we even partied with those crazy drama students at the flat of Theo Cohen.

L to R Gary Collasanti, Jason Coker, Eric Coker, Beth St. Hilaire – Thanksgiving

At our SU Thanksgiving dinner, I broke bread, shared turkey with and sat next to Eric and Jason Coker. As usual, Jason made me laugh and smile in a way that helped me forget about not being home for this traditional family holiday.

L to R Stewart Potchinski, Beth St. Hilaire, Sandy Phillips in Edinburgh Scotland

Our time in London brought us all very close, very quickly. Being immersed in a foreign culture will do that to you.

My roommates and I shared a two bedroom flat because we thought it would save us money. We were wrong! In London, rent was per person. By the time we realized this we were already committed to one-another.

I met Sandy Phillips on the bus from the airport to student housing. He saw me struggle and graciously helped me with my suitcase we later named “The Green Monster.”

Our canopy bed, inspired by a visit to Hampton Court Palace

Shannon Davis had live on my floor in Sadler hall at SU the year before we went to London. She was quiet and sweet, easy to get along with. Being organized and a planner, Shan asked me to live with her and her friend Stuart in London so we could get a head start on the process!

I met Suzanne Miazga after orientation when all of us scattered to find flats, she was looking for roommates and said “I’ll just live with you guys!” She and I seemed to click right away, you know when you get that feeling about someone? We became fast friends. We double bunked in the girls bedroom and laid awake the last week we spent together, making plans for a Spring Break road trip in 1989.

L to R Shannon Davis, Beth St. Hilaire, Suzanne Miazga

The article goes on telling her story, but it is enough of it pasted here to see, that Elisabeth confirms victims by such story. Much more important is that Elisabeth’s story from previous link seems to be a reworked personal version of this older one here (unfortunately the link is removed, but luckily the author of thread quoted a portion which I will reproduce here without option to verify the source itself):

»Nelson shared an apartment with Sandy Phillips, Shannon Davis and Suzanne Miazga. She took art classes with Gretchen Dater and Luanne Rogers and studied advertising with Wendy Lincoln. She’d known Gary Colasanti for years, going back to their freshman dorm, and had met Steve Boland on the flight to London. She partied with Chris Jones and Theo Cohen and ate Thanksgiving dinner with Eric and Jason Coker.«

Nelson opted to stay in Europe for extra travel – and as a result, at 20 years old, says she had to: »face her friends’ deaths and her own mortality on a level that many people never experience.«

So we can see that not much is different, with the fresh story telling the essence with more words around it.

Gretchen Dater even has a memory FB page:…ting-her-life/

Jonathan Moncrief knew both Dater and Jeremy Glick from Flight 93 “the Shanksville” who both attended Saddle River Day School. Fancy that.…type=1&theater

reproduced here in 2007 :…es-of-911.html

Comment below the article cited above, quote:

»Pam Majka • 3 years ago : Thank you for this beautiful piece. I was a childhood friend of Suzanne Miazga and a college friend of Elizabeth. This article brought tears to my eyes. I have no doubt that Suzanne is still with us as is, I’m sure the other passengers aboard Pan Am 103

I wonder…

There are some discrepancies between the two lists. | I think author suggests that passengers list published on the web have some discrepancies between themselves, however I don’t know to which he makes reference here |

What of the bodies? As can be read in The Guardian article dated February 27 2000:

»A terrace house was crushed from above, as if an enormous hammer had pounded through the roof. Two young women fell directly on to the street in front of her house. *

One lay on the asphalt and another was thrown over a low garden wall. The body of a child lay at the foot of the stairs that lead to Bunty Galloway’s home. She would later remember that the child wore brown socks and blue pants.

In all, 259 bodies fell within seconds on Lockerbie and on the area that surrounds the small town of 3,000 people. They lay alone or in groups of five or 10 or 20 in fields and parking lots, in gardens and on pavements, next to telephone booths and on top of roofs. Many seemed to be sleeping. Others were hardly recognisable as the remains of humans. Along with the bodies, about 290 tons of wreckage fell from the sky, including four Pratt & Whitney JT9D-7A motors that were still functioning at full speed when they hit the ground. Eleven residents of Lockerbie had been killed instantly.«

*the witness is Bunty Galloway

»the bodies of the flight crew were still in the cockpit,«

Wikipedia, unreferenced, but seems to emanate from this site – , excerpts from the site’s article:

»DAVID McMullon….He served for eight years with the Special Forces Flight Chinook squadron, the helicopter equivalent of the SAS.

On December 21 1988, he was asked to fly up to Scotland…..He remembers the PanAm stewardess curled in a ball with her arms, legs, fingers crossed tight. Lying in the field, she could have been asleep, but the expression on her face reflected terror.

Next to her was a woman with very small hands. She was in her early thirties, with a beautiful face.

“What I can never excise from my memory is how her hands were pressed hard together, her fingers knotted together in a futile prayer. Very small hands, beautifully manicured.”

It was not what he had expected. These people had fallen 30,000ft, reaching a speed of 120mph.

There were some piles of flesh and bone which weren’t recognisable as human. But the majority were intact.

“Some were sitting still strapped to their seats, upright in rows of three.

“Some had Walkman headsets on, books in their hands, waiting for their drinks. There didn’t appear to be anything drastically wrong – except, of course, they were all dead.”

When daylight broke, Dave’s was the first helicopter airborne, carrying a team of four policemen. Their job was to log where the bodies were, tag them, bag them and place a pole to mark the spot.

“Part of me convinced myself that, if they looked like waxwork dummies, they must be waxwork dummies. That way I could get the job done.

“But I couldn’t help relating to some of them.

“There was this young lad, in his late teens, fit and good-looking. Twenty yards away from him was a burst-open bag and lying on top of it was a photograph of the guy standing at a Spanish bar, his arms around his girl.

“Suddenly this waxwork was someone who’d been alive only hours before. A teenager, full of life, love, going home.”

Their first body was a man who hit the ground feet first. His torso had been compressed. He had been about 6ft tall; now he was maybe 4ft 6ins, standing upright, stuck in the field.

The ground was very soft and there were perfect imprints, impressions of bodies, but the corpses had bounced, landing yards away.

At his feet were three children, aged six, three and 10 months. The oldest two were still holding the baby’s hands.

A girl in her early twenties, sitting in the aisle seat next to her boyfriend. The grass around her seat was torn. Not by the impact, but by her fingers.

“I could see where she had clawed it, scrabbling, digging in the dirt. She had been alive when she hit the ground.”

It would have taken approximately two-and-a-half minutes to reach the ground. Within the first minute-and-a-half, they would have reached breathable air.

The one minute of oxygen starvation was not enough to kill. So many regained consciousness before they hit the ground….«

Some of the witnesses’ testimonies are just to unreal, disregarding all probable mechanisms which would prevent such actions to occur. Illogical and badly written script, in my opinion.

Daily Mirror,  november 24 1998,……-a060628228 :

Flight manifest:


Quote from the link:

»Passengers, still in their seats, were sucked out to their deaths. The sudden change in air pressure inflated the gases in their bodies to four times their normal size. The blast waves were even powerful enough to tear off clothes and turn unsecured objects such as hostess trolleys into lethal hazards. The fuselage lost height and fell, head first, on open ground. The passengers may have been alive, conscious even, on impact, as they showed few injuries from the explosion or depressurization….. every single body had to be located, photographed where it landed and then removed. All this took time and was hugely distressing for the Lockerbie residents who had to live, often for days, with bodies of passengers in their gardens. One was missing until the body fell out of a tree

Not sure of the original source for this blog, but it sounds very far-fetched.

I think the orignal source may be quoted in the [central point in Pan Am 103 trail] article of 2009 –….lockerbie.html, quote from there:

»Twenty years ago, in a piece called “The Darkest Day,” Post-Standard reporters Tom Foster and Matt Cox wrote……

The explosion plunged the cabin into darkness. Shrapnel from the blast may have killed some passengers who were seated directly above the bomb. Heart attacks may have killed some passengers instantly, while drink carts and other objects flying through the cabin struck others.

When the plane broke up, the air pressure inside the cabin plummeted to equal that of the atmosphere outside. Suddenly subjected to air pressure only one-quarter as great as comfortable sea-level pressure, gases inside passengers’ bodies expanded to four times their normal volume. This could have ruptured the tiny air sacs in passengers’ lungs and sent gas bubbles through the pulmonary vein and into the heart — a fatal condition known as aeroembolism.

Heavy cigarette smokers were most susceptible to this, but anyone caught in the act of swallowing could have died, too, because swallowing would have closed off the glottis, the opening in the upper part of the larynx between the vocal cords. With the glottis closed, expanding gases were trapped in the lungs.

Tornado-force gusts tore through the opening left by the cockpit, subjecting passengers to frostbite in air 50 degrees below zero. The velocity of the wind made it feel immeasurably colder.

The wind that tore down the aisles was powerful enough to rip clothing off bodies and lift unseated passengers and throw them to the rear of the plane. Some may have been tossed out into the night. Those thrown out of the plane joined luggage and pieces of the shattered aircraft to form a ghostly caravan that swept through the pitch-black troposphere at 360 mph.

The ruptured fuselage pitched and rolled violently. Passengers still belted to their seats flopped about, suffering broken bones, joint dislocations and other “flail”‘ injuries.

The wind and the rending of the fuselage created a tremendous roar.

Those who survived the first moments of the disaster had to fight for breath. Expanding gases caused their lungs to swell and then collapse, expelling air through the nose and mouth. Wind slamming against their chests made it difficult to draw in air.

Some passengers may have felt the effects of oxygen deprivation within 10 or 20 seconds. Unable to breathe, they lost consciousness … Others may have remained conscious longer. Anyone able to breathe the thin air at 31,000 feet could have remained conscious for up to 45 seconds. And some passengers who blacked out may have regained consciousness as they fell into the oxygen-rich atmosphere closer to earth.

The fall lasted about two minutes. At first, the plane and its passengers fell both forward and down, tracing an arc through the sky. By the time they neared the earth, they were falling virtually straight down.«

#by way of contrast…


»Mr Jack Glasgow of Mount Florida, Glasgow, said: “We tried to get near the plane but it was completely on fire. There were no bodies about. I don’t think there would be any chance of anyone getting out of it. It went up in a fireball.«…6/descent.html

Jack Glasgow was not called to the Zeist trial to give evidence…. Quote:

»That the plane was ultimately destroyed and ended up in pieces around Lockerbie is inarguable,«

…indeed. That can also result from a non-flying plane i.e. destroyed beforehand and scattered.

….but another witness allegedly saw bodies everywhere, remembered in December 2013: , quote from there:

»Plasterer Kevin Anderson, now 49, was living in Tundergarth, three miles from Lockerbie, at the time of the disaster. “I was in the garage, changing the oil in my wife’s car. It was a dark night, dry but windy.

“I was walking towards a bench under a window that looks on to Lockerbie when I heard a big explosion. I thought, Jesus wept. It was like an atomic bomb going off, like you see on television. I thought something had blown up in Lockerbie – petrol pumps or something like that.

“I went outside a couple of minutes afterwards. I was standing there, and I thought I’d go into the house and get my wife. Then I heard the sound of big things hitting the ground, one after another. I’ll never forget that.

“Then there was another noise. You know how loudly a young kid can scream? This was 30 times louder. I thought, what the heck is that? All of a sudden – bang, right in the field opposite my house.

“At first I didn’t know what it was. I thought at first it was cardboard boxes. It was dark but I could see the outline of something. I went in and got the wife, and just at that moment the power went off. I told her, ‘There’s something happening in Lockerbie.’ You could see a glow in Lockerbie by this stage.

“I told her, ‘Something has landed in that field over there.’ I jumped into my car and drove to the field, and as soon as I went in the top gate I could see the words ‘Pan Am’ on the front of the cockpit. There was nothing but bodies all around.

“I went from there to my father-in-law, who lived up the road. He had folk in for a meal. I went in and told him, ‘Jimmy, you need to come with me – there’s the front of a plane lying in the field and there are bodies everywhere.’

“I had often taken the mickey out of him. He just smiled and said, ‘Now Anderson, don’t start that …’ I said, ‘Honest to God, you need to come.’ He’d heard nothing. He’d only been a couple of hundred of yards from where the cockpit had landed.

“So he came out and jumped in my car. My wife had been trying to phone the police. It had taken her a while to get through. At first they thought it was two fighter planes that had collided. I think she was the first to tell them that actually it had been a Pan Am airliner.

“We went to the cockpit with a torch and looked in to see if there was anyone alive. I could see the pilot. There were bodies scattered around the ground outside the cockpit but they were just like rag dolls.

“The police arrived quickly, and a doctor. There was no-one alive. The doctor checked a few and went back to Lockerbie. There was nothing he could do here.

“Did it have any impact on me? To be absolutely honest, I don’t think it did, though I do think back on it a lot.

“One thing I do remember is that the people who were found near the cockpit all had their clothes on, but those who were found 300 yards away only had their socks on.«

I think we can dismiss this witness immediately because of the daft atomic bomb reference. Just another back up story.

Another remembered story from 25 years later –…king-1-6335020 :

»David Pearce, a hard news reporter at heart, covered the business beat back then. But when the news broke he knew most of the paper’s editorial staff were at a colleague’s leaving do – including the night calls man.

David, now semi retired, recalls: “It was a very big story, and near enough for all the regional papers to want to go to the job. I couldn’t drive because I’d had a drink so I rang our chief photographer – and photographer Pete Emmett turned up in his beautiful Toyota MR2 sports saloon.

We got there in the early hours, about 2am…. We saw a huge crane, brought in by the TV people, because this was before electronic satellite transmissions for photographers and before mobile phones, so they had dishes hanging from the crane to transmit back….The pair were taken on an escorted visit, by police, to the spot where the fatalities had occurred. “It looked like a war zone. Part of the plane and one of the engines had landed on an area of bungalows and exploded. You could taste let alone smell the aviation fuel. People standing outside houses nearby were still in shock.

“Journalists had seen body parts that had fallen from the sky and landed in gardens, on roofs and in the streets. What we saw was dollars bills fluttering everywhere for a large quantity of cash had been on the plane and people had picked it up. We carried on talking through the night…Photographer Pete Emmett recalls: “There were four to five bodies covered up in tarpaulins when we saw the cockpit…. I came across arms separated that had landed in a greenhouse.«

Hm, how on earth did this pair miss the bodies allegedly strewn everywhere?

* A signficant death reported at Lockerbie was that of Flora M.M.Swire,aged 23 yrs 365 days.

Her father Herbert Swire, known as Jim, wrote in June 2014, quote:

»I am Dr Jim Swire, father of Flora Swire who, one day before her 24th birthday, was brutally murdered along with 269 others in the Lockerbie disaster. It has always been and remains my intent to see those responsible for her death brought to justice and steps taken to ensure a coherent preventive system against terrorism in the future……We need the truth and Scotland’s management of this case produced a verdict perfectly tailored for use by those who would seek to ensure that the full truth remains hidden. If it is true that this man, Baset, and his country were not the perpetrators, then who really were? If the verdict is unjustified then the extraordinary delay experienced thus far in redressing it has protected the real perpetrators from the probing of international justice. It has also protected the systems which failed to protect our families. The review of the evidence and verdict still lie with us in Scotland. We still have the option of re-examining this case in Scotland, if we do not do so it will pass to others to examine, and Scotland, her people and her law would be the losers.«…l#comment-form

The case of Flora Swire is an interesting one.

Allegedly she bought a ticket at the last minute. She had been accepted after qualification at Nottingham University at the National Hospital for Neurology and Neurosurgery in Queens Square, London, and associated with the UCL Institute of Neurology.

Jane swire herself, the wife of Jim, has authored an article on Lockerbie in the British Medical Journal.…20flight%20103

The aftermath of disaster

Some other interesting articles are cited on that FEMA page [just a selection of the most interesting]



Identification in the Lockerbie air disaster [in “THE AMERICAN JOURNAL OF FORENSIC MEDICINE AND PATHOLOGY”]

Author(s):Moody, Gregory Howard and Busuttil, Anthony.Description: In “THE AMERICAN JOURNAL OF FORENSIC MEDICINE AND PATHOLOGY”. v. 15 (1) 7 p. (63-69)Publication Data: 1994Identifier/s:Access

The Lockerbie disaster and other aircraft breakups in midair [in “THE AMERICAN JOURNAL OF FORENSIC MEDICINE AND PATHOLOGY”]

Author(s):Eckert, William G.Description: In “THE AMERICAN JOURNAL OF FORENSIC MEDICINE AND PATHOLOGY”. v. 11 (2) 9 p. (93-101)Publication Data: 1990

Response of the south Manchester accident rescue team to the earthquake in Armenia and the Lockerbie air disaster [in “BRITISH MEDICAL JOURNAL”]

Author(s):Redmond, Anthony D.Description: In “BRITISH MEDICAL JOURNAL”. v. 299 2 p. (611-612)Publication Data: September 2, 1989

Lockerbie and Dunblane: disasters and dilemmas [in “MEDICO-LEGAL JOURNAL”]

Author(s):Busuttil, Anthony.Description: In “MEDICO-LEGAL JOURNAL”. v. 66 (4) 15 p. (126-140)Publication Data: 1998

The police response to the Lockerbie disaster [in “DISASTER MANAGEMENT”]

Author(s):Boddy, J., Cecchi, L., McLay, D., and Mitchell, M.Description: In “DISASTER MANAGEMENT”. v. 3 (4) p. 198-205Publication Data: 1991Lockerbie aircraft disaster: accident investigation [in “DISASTER MANAGEMENT”]

Author(s):Charles, M. M.Description: In “DISASTER MANAGEMENT”. v. 2 (4) p. 197-202Publication Data: 1990Lockerbie aircraft disaster: response of the ambulance service [in “DISASTER MANAGEMENT”]

Author(s):Wilby, J. M.Description: In “DISASTER MANAGEMENT”. v. 2 (4) p. 192-196Publication Data: 1990The Lockerbie air disaster [in “FIRE PREVENTION”]

Description: In “FIRE PREVENTION”. p. 37-39Publication Data: June 1989 This article follows the actions of the Dumfries and Galloway Fire Brigade in the aftermath of the mid-air explosion of the Pan-Am Boeing 747 Jet last December over Lockerbie.

Dealing with the Lockerbie plane crash [in “FIRE CHIEF”]

Author(s):Stiff, J. Barry.Description: In “FIRE CHIEF”. v. 33 (5) p. 34-37Publication Data: May 1989and this facinating sounding piece…

Reimagining mass casualty attacks post 7/7 inquiry [in “FIRE”]

Author(s):Sloggett, Dave.Description: In “FIRE”. v. 104 (1339) p. 50-52Publication Data: July/August 20111. LONDON BOMBINGS 2005 2. LESSONS LEARNED 3. MASS CASUALTIES 4. GOVERNMENT INVESTIGATIONS 5. PAN AM FLIGHT 103 6. DECISION MAKING

According to the Baltimore Sun October 28 1990, quoted here: :

»In May, he risked arrest by flying to New York with a fake bomb in his suitcase to dramatize his belief that airport security is still too lax. . He says it took him six hours to buy the parts and duplicate the terrorist’s bomb, substituting marzipan for Semtex, the Chekoslovakian-made plastic explosive. “When I smuggled the bomb on the flight to New York, and we flew up over Scotland and climbed the 31,000 feet, it was a strange sensation that the other passengers didn’t have a clue that there was a fake bomb in the hold.”

The Swires traveled to Lockerbie a few days after the disaster.

Families were told they could not see the bodies because it would be too upsetting, a policy Dr. Swire says goes against psychological practices. “Being a doc, I pulled some strings and the pathologist put my daughter’s body aside for me,” Dr. Swire said.«

Jim enlarges upon that at a later date as we shall see. The boyfriend whom Flora was travelling to see is not named in that particular article, but is identified elsewhere as Hart Lidov, now an MD at Harvard and the Boston Children’s Hospital [made better known in the Boston Marathon “bombing”. Despite extensive searching, there appears to be no public photo of Dr Lidov anywhere. It is also not established how Flora and Hart met, which strikes me a slightly curious. The nearest I come is in this 2007 piece:…flora-1.835374 , quote:

»Flora Swire was training to be a neurosurgeon when she met young American doctor Hart Lidov. She began commuting regularly across the….«


…which sounds expensive and avoids the above question….

There is a published 1989 paper,….0451699#page-1 , where Flora is the corresponding author from the Department of Physiology and Pharmacology at University of Nottingham Medical School, along with C.A.Marsden: ( ) and two co-authors from the Medical Physics department.

Hart Lidov is a neuropathologist – he attended the 2nd British Myology Society Annual Meeting in Oxford in 2010.…_Brochure_2010 .

In 1998, he penned a piece: PAM AM 103 – 10 Years later too hot to touch? , , excerpts quote:

»All aspects of the Lockerbie deserved attention – This was the largest killing of American civilians by a foreign agents since at least WWII. Selected aspects – the “interview the sobbing relatives” stories and the “hodunit story” have been overdone and repeated without end. By contrast there has not been a single article examining the role of the US government in relation to Lockerbie.

The issue of “the Libyan’s” is a distraction. Whoever actually planted the Lockerbie bomb was a “foot-soldier”

The American press – particularly the major papers have made every effort to expunge Pan Am 103, not to mention the connection with Iran, altogether.

Pan Am 103 was an American disaster – an American plane and largely American dead. The circumstances and number of American civilians killed is almost without precedent.

Freelancer Hart Lidov

Posted at 25th of March 1998«

Odd that he doesn’t mention his connection with Flora MM Swire. As far as I am aware, this is the only time Lidov publicly wrote about Pan Am 103.

Then in 2002 “Buck” Oliver Revell sued Lidov,…L%20v.%20LIDOV, quote:

»Oliver “Buck” Revell sued Hart G.W. Lidov and Columbia University for defamation arising out of Lidov’s authorship of an article that he posted on an internet bulletin board hosted by Columbia. The district court dismissed Revell’s claims for lack of personal jurisdiction over both Lidov and Columbia.«

…as was made clear, , quote:

»In 1995 Revell appears to have acknowledged in print that his own son was scheduled to travel home on leave for Christmas on Pan Am 103 and unexpectedly had his trip moved back by two weeks, saving him from the ill-fated flight«

…allegedly, quote:

»Specifically, the article singles out Oliver “Buck” Revell, then Associate Deputy Director of the FBI, for severe criticism, accusing him of complicity in the conspiracy and coverup. The article further charges that Revell, knowing about the imminent terrorist attack, made certain his son, previously booked on Pan Am 103, took a different flight. At the time he wrote the article, Lidov had never been to Texas, except possibly to change planes, or conducted business there, and was apparently unaware that Revell then resided in Texas.«

Hm, seems like a classic limited hangout.


[i] Just look at the list of notable alumni at Syracuse University, it looks as a major spook recruitment institution in many fields.

[ii] Found at

20 thoughts on “The Lockerbie Incident – Pan Am flight 103, Part V + Addendum

  1. Great work, Vex. Just a side note, that you and I are not “debating” in these comments. Each of us being our own eyes and brains to this matter, and you see things that I do not, etc. It appears that what you have discovered thus far has taken the Lockerbie incident and splayed it wide open, and the parts falling out now all in need of serious examination. I know the feeling … too much, too much … not enough time. Even if you leave it here, you’ve created enough doubt that anyone reading this knows to push further. In my (thankfully, winding up) profession, accounting, we know to examine a small part of a whole randomly, here and there, and if there is one small discrepancy, to expand the examination, and if further anomalies are found, to expand again, and finally, to reexamine that the whole enterprise in detail. Needs to be done.

    In my case now I have just realized that I have to look over in detail the Bishop’s registry of all if the cases of priests engaged in bad behaviors, as it lends itself to numerical analysis and will be very telling. No one else will do this, I realize, so it has to be me. I am in your position regarding Lockerbie … a daunting task, and who else is going to do it?


  2. Thanks again for your compliments, I did struggle occasionally with this piece. As it looks, this Lockerbie incident will get a substantial addedndum in next days as one of my kind readers has let me know that he covered British victims in depth few years ago. I’ve checked it and it is awesome indeed. So it will be upgraded by the number of alleged victims shown as fakes in near future.

    I’ve seen your post on your blog, well, I guess we both like to chew on large bones with pleasure 🙂


  3. Wow… Good work my friend… I shouldn’t be surprised because they do this all the time but i have to admit, i was blown away by this one… The debris is the elephant in the room on this one. I remember an old friend of mine who was part of the search and rescue team sent down to clear the mess. I remember him talking about the bodies and it struck me how unaffected he was. It makes sense now. Very similar to the 7/7 hoax and the Shoreham plane crash bollox… I see now they have a lot of previous. I am super happy that i have found another resource. I came to you via MilesMathis who led me to POM who led me to you. Do you have any further links for any detective sites. I find them very interesting. Know thy enemy and all that… I can recommend, he has some good articles, however, i suspect he may be controlled opposition. He is interesting nonetheless!


    1. Welcome to the blog, Danny, I’m glad you’ve enjoyed all that can be found here.

      Thanks for the compliments, to be honest – it’s not like if I was the only or first one to analyze it. There is a thread where a guy “xileffelix” filled the thread with pictorial evidence and some other contributors sharing their observations. So it was a great confirmation for my efforts as I found them myself, you may want to check it out here. There is as well great number of threads that you may find interesting. Sure, I can imagine your friend being undisturbed as there was nothing to be worried about, actually. The official narrative of the story is so unbelievable, with evidence dubious and witnesses worth all doubt, it all stinks of a false-flag event. But then it was all as some kind of small scale model of 9/11 event, most welcomed as a practice for the ill-minded rulers. It surely helps to realize what a crazy world we live in.

      I don’t have any additional detective-styled links to share, there are some events taken apart at by daddieuhoh and Mark, Mathis is definitely loaded with such essays. I’ve checked on in the past, can’t say much about him as I never studied his work enough to have an opinion. Maybe I’ll have some time for it in the future.


  4. Good work, Vexman!

    I reached your blog exactly the same way as Danny Malpas, being an avid reader of Miles Mathis.

    Two comments on your fine selection of absurdities with this made-for-tv little psy-op with great consequences:

    1 – the first image with the “Manneken Pis” (he immediately fell to my eye when you posted it the first time, so was happy to see you talked about him (?) later) very much looks like a scale model, much like those made for model trains, with model houses, model cars, model garbage and model “people”.

    Something that points to that idea is also the focus of the photo; the centre is in focus, but both the foreground AND the background are unsharp. That would not be the case if the photo would have been taken from a helicopter, but it would be if it would be taken from a scale model with a camera much closer to the “scene”.

    2 – you missed to comment on the absurd claim by Inspector Stobbs, “The impact was so great it registered 1.6 on the Richter scale.” Really, Mr. Stobbs? An “impact” that registers 1.6 at the Richter scale is nothing. The bulldozer that made the large hole in the ground, even at model scale, would make a far bigger “impact” and thus “tremor” than that.

    [i]While most are undetectable except by instruments, a 2012 tremor reached 3.6 on the Richter scale, which is similar to a heavy truck driving by and can rattle dishes and doors.[/i]

    In this link you can read that “a tremor of 3.6 is just like a heavy truck driving by”. A tremor of 3.6 is 100 times stronger than a 1.6. So it may well have been a “1.6” that Stobbs felt, which is the equivalent of dropping his model pint of model beer on the model ground….

    But keep up the great work, I read and liked (despite the cruelty) your voluminous Red Terror series too.

    One last important comment:
    I started to read the Vatican “Holocaust”, but got put off very quickly. You do not really believe the “Holocaust” happened as reported? That would be a big shame for the other content of your blog, as the existence of the “gas” chambers and the whole story has been debunked by many independent, serious, non-politically motivated researchers. The website Inconvenient History has a great deal of very detailed, well-researched and referenced papers on that subject, especially check out Carlo Mattogno, Germar Rudolf, Jurgen Graf and Thomas Kues. I hope I misread the first paragraphs and you may mean something else, would be good to have that cleared up and I may read on.

    Take care.

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    1. Hi Gaia, thanks for your comment. It’s just absurd to think about this whole business of fake events. Many details of the Lockerbie incident are ironically amusing, yet majority seem to have accepted whatever was presented as pure fact.

      I’m glad you’ve enjoyed reading it, that’s a great motivation for me.

      I will most definitely try to learn about the strength of Richter scale, thanks for pointing it out. This detail most certainly helps supporting the case of a fake event.

      As of Vatican Holocaust and this subject in general – it is a subject where I don’t want to rest my opinion on beliefs and hear-says. I’m happy you’ve brought this up since I’m about to post a revision of my blog’s content on two subjects, Vatican holocaust series is one of them. The reason for the (most likely) removal of it from my blog, is based on mr. O’Collins’ unavailability to provide me/readers with sources for his claims and/or more reliable and verifiable ways to check them accordingly.

      All this doesn’t say anything about my beliefs (or opinion) about the holocaust. While I strongly doubt that mainstreamed story is correct, I as well suspect all “pioneer” holocaust deniers are controlled opposition (i.e. David Irving, Ernst Zuendel and rest of them). I do have a third theory about it, but I’ll save that for later.


      1. Wow Vexman, I saw the removal of your Vatican Holocaust series popping up in my email. Happy you keep it offline, at least for now.

        If you think this comment of mine is better placed elsewhere, feel free to move it as it goes a little astray from the Lockerbie topic, although you could say that all those staged events are interconnected anyway.

        I think you’re right about Irving. Miles has done a small piece on him which scratches the surface. On that same site I mentioned, Inconvenient History, there’s a more in-depth analysis of Irving where he is exposed as a mainstream story pusher even “admitting” the Holocaust “happened” as reported:

        The thing with the Holocaust Story is, that it is physically and chemically impossible to have happened and that is the base argument. No matter how historians spin things, if it cannot be true physically or chemically, it isn’t true. That’s why the work of Germar Rudolf, a chemist, is so important and to-the-point.

        Your series on slave labour by the big car and other companies is still valid. The problem is with the so-called extermination or Vernichtung story. Not only does it not make sense, knowing how many jewish and crypto-jewish financers, big shots in the NSDAP party (Goebbels marrying jewish Magda ex-Quandt is just one of them) and others were involved in the Nazi Project (as happened in similar ways with the Bolshevism Project), to mass murder 6 million jews, but the story is ridiculous from the start on. Treblinka is key to study because it allegedly was the most “efficient” “death camp” of all, with amazingly absurd stories as buring hundreds of thousands of people in Polish winter ground and then excavating all those bodies and burning them in the open air. Unseen. It is impossible.

        Back to Lockerbie; glad you liked my remarks and I hope to be of more service to you. The first blog post you made was coincidentally also the first one I read (the “Miracle” of the Andes). Yesterday I’ve read almost all of your blog posts and they all point to good research, so the muddied water of “Vatican Holocaust” became even more awkward. So glad you took the step to remove it, at least for now, and mainly because the author of the piece didn’t respond to questions about it.

        I will keep following you and may start my own blog as I have some topics to write about and share thoughts and insights this way too.

        All the best.


        1. Thank you for your kind words.

          It was really troubling me as there were to many points that could be refuted.

          I see you’ve already reached some conclusions regarding the holocaust. I’m not there yet while there are to many questionable points in this story. For instance, where you argue and question that some Jews were murdered by their brothers-in-blood, I would point to a) all other cases of mass executions among same race and b) reported pogroms of jewish population in countries, where PTB already had gained rulling positions. Considering it I tend to believe that there may be an inter-racial issue among one jewish population, where some ‘sect’ of them believe in their own supremacy. Mathis’ bloodlines research may give a circumstantial confirmation for it.

          I’ve read Germar’s findings for several times and while I consider his findings to be true, there are numerous ways left to get killed in one camp. While you may think that holocaust is not physically nor chemically possible, I would argue your viewpoint with the case of Croatian pro-nazi NDH, where Jasenovac camp was functional between 1941-1945 and some official records show typical genocidal act of ethnic cleansing. Numbers can be undoubtedly discussed, while the existance of crime is proven several times over.

          Anyway, maybe sometime in future I’ll be confident enough to write about it.


  5. Your an ass…The “Twins” you refer to are my cousins. To make light of their death shows your ignorance…


  6. Well, well. You’ve done an awful lot of investigating and digging to come up with such a far fetched, and from what I read, a drug induced explanation of Pan Am 103. Hopefully you are completely sober when you read my comment. I was just sent your flog, ooops, I mean blog by my cousin who also commented. The Syracuse University student twins you speak of like they were 2 characters in a Stephen King novel, Jason and Eric Coker were also my twin cousins, 10 days my junior. Yes, 2 REAL people who were blown up on Pan Am 103 by cowardly terrorists. Not 2 pretend people, whom your warped mind think were part of some psyop. They were on their way home for the Christmas holiday to be spent with us, their family. Just like always. What our family went through that Christmas season in 1988 was something I hope that you or your family never have to go through. In your long-drawn-out investigation, have you ever talked to any of the murdered people’s families? That might be a good start when you write a retraction to your science fiction blog. I myself would love to talk to you and give you as much information as you need. As angry as I was when I finished reading your bullshit about Pan Am flight 103, I still never wish for you or your family what our family went through that Christmas season. A psyop? Wow! Feel free to contact me by email anytime you’d like. Something you probably should have done well before writing your science fiction blog.


    1. Well, well. Two of alleged cousins to Eric and Jason Coker come to my blog, yet none of you is decent enough to know and use their names. Short-term dementia or just another task that you and your other “cousin” RKeli were sent to by your superiors? The only story that reads and feels drug-induced is the whole mainstreamed and official Lockerbie story, where everything is turned upside-down. But that becomes obvious only to those, that have some head’s capacity filled with functioning brain tissue. In your case, I just don’t know what to think about this notion, the feeling is actually disappointing. In case you have nothing more to add to this post, I’d kindly ask you to buzz off from here unless you’re able to refute my findings with something more substantial, for instance by showing you’re actually related, some memorabilia of Eric and Jason left in your possession or anything, actually, that may help me believe you’re actually a person and not another shill, sent to my blog to induce non-factual and debilitating debates. I will not answer again to you, since your choice of words is insulting and below my debate treshold. Unless you’re able to communicate with decency, you’re not welcome here. If you persist with your insulting comments that are void of anything substantial, I’ll delete your next comment and ban your IP. Have a nice Sunday, by the way.

      Ohh, one more thing before I’m finished with you both – it’s interesting to me as a true pacifist, that your and your cousin RKeli’s IP geolocation sourced you both residing next to major N.Carolina and Massachusetts US military bases. Just coincidence, eh?

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  7. Vexman, what do you expect my comment to sound like after reading what you wrote about 2 family members, JASON AND ERIC COKER, whom we loved dearly? Happy words? Sorry, maybe you haven’t felt such pain. If you had, you’d understand why they were less than loving words. You say I didn’t use their names? Read my comment again. I used their names! Or maybe you read my comment like you did your half assed investigation into Pan Am flight 103. It’s funny that you didn’t contact me by email. You have done so much digging in your investigation, You could learn my full and real name and look up my, or our (my cousin who also commented) relationship to Jason and Eric Coker. Jason and Eric Coker’s mother’s name is Barbara (still alive) who also had another set of twins Named Scott and Todd, who are still alive. She has 3 sisters, Bernice, Betty, and Brenda. Bernice is the other commenters mother and Brenda is my mother. Now you know how we are cousins to Jason and Eric Coker. You say we answered to our superiors? That makes me sound important and believe me, I am not an important person lol. I work at a gym, that’s how important I am. I live in upstate New York and you have my email. I would even grant you my telephone number so you could call me if you were to contact me by email. I have memorabilia proving our relationship as well. US military bases? I just told you I live in upstate New York (where I have lived my whole life) and where Jason and Eric are from. My cousin lives in South Carolina. My dad was in Vietnam, in the navy back in the late sixties and early seventies but I have never been in the military myself. I really don’t know where you are getting your information from. I live in Latham, NY. I’m sorry if you feel insulted, but you have to understand this digs up horrible memories, especially for me.


    1. You actually did use the names, for which I’d apologize in half. Why should I contact you to your email? I don’t have anything to hide and actually I want all readers to see what we are communicating. Your reply is again insulting, calling my research as “half assed”. While you have every right to say anything you like, I have the right to reject conversation with you until you learn proper manners of decent communication. Like I’ve mentioned in my previous reply to you, there is nothing substantial in your comments that would make me change my belief about Lockerbie incident and/or ALL deaths .


  8. Vex, Now that I have calmed down for a while and had a chance to sleep (a little lol) on it, I believe we can have a good back-and-forth conversation right here. The reason I wanted you to contact me through my email was so that I could give you some personal information that you could do fact checking on and find out that I am telling the truth. Was also gonna give out my phone number and didn’t wanna do that on a public forum. They really were my twin cousins. Actually, you and I think the same on a few things that I have read on your blog. For one, the 911 incident I believe was an inside job which our government had everything to do with. You and I actually have more in common, thought wise than you realize. Now back to Jason and Eric. They were such great guys and it really hurt to hear that you don’t believe that they were killed. That’s why my words were a bit harsh. I would do anything just to prove that you are wrong about this incident, maybe not about others, but definitely about this one. It will be 29 years this December. I was actually the family member that read a lot of their writings (They both wanted to be journalists and wrote a lot) at their memorial service and I will try and dig up those writings that their mom, my Aunt Barbara gave me to read at their service. I have some pictures but I know my family has a lot of pictures of all of us together. Is there a way to post those pictures on here? I’m pretty sure there is. Actually, I believe there is a group picture of at least 15 of the cousins including the other commenter and myself and either Jason or Eric in the same picture that I have that I will look for. They were identical twins. It was actually quite hard to tell them apart. The way I told them apart was Eric had a mole on his right cheek and Jason did not, so that’s how I distinguished the 2 apart from each other when we were younger, as we grew up together, eventually it was easy to tell them apart if you were a family member and spent a lot of time with them as they had slightly different personalities as well. The other set of twins my aunt had are fraternal twins. Jason & Eric had a different father than Scott & Todd so I’m assuming the twin gene came from my aunt lol. Please bear with me and understand that I lived this horrific ordeal. Although it’s almost been 29 years, it still hurts to this day that they are not around anymore. As I said, they were great guys. Funny, extremely intelligent and loving family members.


    1. I have that photo Dean. It was taken at Aunt Barbs at the going away to College party she had for Jason and Eric. (your broken nose due to a heated basketball game) haha…Last time we saw them.. Who was the news anchor one of them held as his idol??? He spoke of it on air after Uncle Ronnie contacted him and explained how he was his role model.. If uncle Ronnie was alive he could definitely provide all and any proof needed or wanted. And like you Cuz..911- definitely staged…and his accuracy in some of what he says is just that…accurate! But nit this time. And in order for him to be true to his self and what he stands for he needs to acknowledge that.. God knows, i wished he was right and they didnt die that day…that the red and orange scarfs Aunt Bard had made for them that she had come through grams door showing off with a smile on her face…that she had been able to see her two boys that she was so proud of wrap them around their necks and smile know as well as i do they would have been wearing them..


  9. Poppycock. If either of you were actually related to the fake dead people, you wouldn’t be here debating with strangers on the topic. I smell rats. It’s been months and neither of you have posted the alleged pictures, which still wouldn’t be proof of anything – because it doesn’t matter if you’re related to the fake dead people at all. What matters is the evidence and the argumentation, the polemics of the topic. So far, neither of you have brought any arguments to the table at all or any refutations other than to say you were related to some alleged dead people, allegedly.



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  12. Interestingly I can find no record of he death of Flora Swire who allegedly died in the tragedy.
    Her father Jim was a doctor in these parts and played a large part in the saga.
    There is a record of her birth but that’s it. She was travelling with her American boyfriend Hart Lidof. Is there a record of his death?


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